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17 November 2012 @ 02:21 am
Sooo... Avengers Arena.  
We gonna talk about it, or are we all just too disgusted?
monkey monkey underpants!: anime // [ranma] well?fragmentedsky on November 17th, 2012 02:25 pm (UTC)

(also my philosophy re: last airbender movie. IF I DON'T WATCH IT IT DOESN'T EXIST.)
Number 6: ghostnewnumber6 on November 17th, 2012 06:04 pm (UTC)
I'm in the 'too disgusted' category. I don't even think I'm going to read it.

But I'm warning you Marvel, if you kill off one of the Runaways in a crappy gimmick mini, I WILL drop you for the forseeable future. Technically I'm not buying anything right now, but you have been building towards at least a few things that might get me to pick up some significant stuff again. It's mixed in with a lot of awful, but I can look past the awful... unless that awful includes the death of Nico or Chase in this.

sadistic_dance: {Alex Wilder}sadistic_dance on November 17th, 2012 06:06 pm (UTC)
Too disgusted. This too shall pass.
kryptonian moose with a hernia: dc comics { i only wanted to helpthecivilunrest on November 17th, 2012 11:43 pm (UTC)
A death in a arena is not a worthy death for a Runaway, but I swear if Nico and Chase have to kill one another I will quit Marvel.
currently unsupervised: Michaelclayin on November 18th, 2012 11:14 pm (UTC)
The only decent story that could possibly come out of this is if the characters in the Arena are some sort of timeline duplicates of the actual characters, and the Arena versions find out that there are versions of themselves living their lives completely unaffected by this B.S. Psychological meltdowns and What-Makes-Us-Human, yay! It would also explain why Nico doesn't have the upgraded version of the Staff of One.

Alas, I am not confident that Avengers Arena is anything but what it looks like: Crap.
fix me, motherfucker! i'm standing right here.: liars ► always my favorite.immortality on November 20th, 2012 12:28 am (UTC)
No. Just no.

Could Marvel make it any clearer they don't give a damn about Runaways? Apparently yes, since this is happening.
The Mad Fan Girl: 08fullmetal_cute on November 24th, 2012 05:35 am (UTC)
There is no Avengers Arena. I disbelieve the illusion.
Betzel: pic#97384823betzel on November 25th, 2012 07:28 am (UTC)
Good to see us united in our disdain.

Though I am curious, if this is just a device to have the Runaways join the Avengers Acadamy, would you be for or against?
personamanx: pic#93417635personamanx on November 30th, 2012 02:24 am (UTC)
That book and group is dead. And really it should have been put down after Fear Itself. The book would have been much more well regarded if it did not last past issue 20 or so. Gage was really just phoning it in after that and the artists were horrid (Aside from some Esquejo and Lafuente covers naturally).
personamanx: pic#93417635personamanx on November 30th, 2012 02:21 am (UTC)
I for one am optimistic. It could end up being shit but we have what is by all accounts a solid creative team using fan favourite characters using a proven story concept. And while it's clear this won't be a puppies and rainbows book Hopeless has defended the book, and creators (including writers, and artists who CREATED some of the characters being used) vouch for it. I doubt this will be played as straight as everyone imagines it will be (When has this story type ever been played terribly straight? At least in the sense that only one protagonist makes it out alive? I can't name one).

Granted it could be shite but it's better than limbo. A character's only dead when they're not appearing, and the Runaways have been dead for years already (aside from cameos in the mediocre Avengers Academy and Daken which did nothing but Muddy the waters for a proper return which will never happen regardless of how this book plays out).

I may or not check out the first issue, really it depends on how much cash I have on the day of. I find the concept of criticizing a book one hasn't read very arrogant to be honest. Disliking the concept and expressing disinterest is one thing but there's been a lot of overblown accusations thrown at this book and it's creators.
Betzel: pic#97384823betzel on November 30th, 2012 04:50 am (UTC)
I'll completely disagree on... most things here.

My main problem is I completely disagree with the idea of the story itself, and everything I've seen defending it has felt insulting. It screams of a "people love killing, and Hunger Games is possible, so let's jump on that!" But there is legitimately no way they can come out of this looking good. You kill all but 1 character (which I would assume is X-23, because there's not a snowballs chance she's dead at any point), then you not just killed of a bunch of popular characters. If you do the cliche thing of killing off the characters nobody cares about, and have everyone else survive, then it was more or less a waste of time. And if nobody is killed via it all being a computer simulation or some crap, everyone will roll their eyes and talk about how stupid it all was anyway.

The hype they've done for it in and of itself hasn't helped. The previews have gone from talking about how character driven it's going to be to talking about how much murder there is gonna be and how the violence should sell you at the switch of a hat. The "I Want Them All To Be Katniss" preview not only tells you point blank this is a flat cash in on Hunger Games, but it's also freaking impossible, and not even smart to attempt. If you make 16 characters and succesfully give us an emotional attachment to even 8 of them, and then kill 15 of them off, we aren't gonna he happy that one of the characters we are attached to survived: We are gonna be mad that 7 of them didn't, and probably stop reading the book after the first 3 or 4.

And what's wrong with Limbo? Yeah, it's not perfect, but I'd rather pretend the v3 of the Runaways never happend then acknowledge it's existance most of the time. I say I'd rather keep the median story from the Runaways strong does more to preserve their legacy then just throwing them into things to keep their names going does. And that's probably all they are going to end up with.
Betzel: pic#99201089betzel on December 13th, 2012 02:00 am (UTC)
Bright side: No Runners dead yet.

Down side: If they are killing of as major of a character as they did in AA#1, then the Runners are certainly on the choping block.